Since I don't know your limitations on width, or what's going on outside the house, I'll ask why the door from the dinette? The living room could be wider and still be within the envelope shown. There are already doors to the back off of the living room. The fireplace box could also be outside of the room, with the front flush with the wall. The usage a living room gets depends a lot on your lifestyle. Ours gets used only at Christmas; the rest of the year, it is a repository for our antiques. I would envision much of your time spent between the kitchen and dinette, at least if you're like us. If you draw a cross-section, you might find that you can move the stairs a couple steps to the left, actually going under the bench. Standard headroom over a stair is 68". That would open things up a bit, although the stairs serve to divide the spaces, and could be a decorative feature.
I like that the WIC has a separate entry! My wife and I are modest, I guess, since we never share the bathroom, for anything. If the only access to our closet was through the bathroom, I'd end up doing a lot of waiting. We must be the exception, though, since many homes have that set-up, and people are evidently happy with it.
The den looks like a good idea. It can serve as a guest bedroom, and would be a good spot for either the TV, stereo, or computer. We ended up using our smallest bedroom as a den, and that way the TV is in it's own room, where it doesn't disturb the rest of the household, and vice versa. We also discovered that by having the TV in the smallest room, you don't have to buy such a big TV!
That's my two cents; I'm sure others will chime in about the flow, etc.- things I'm not very good at!
I think that too much of the square footage is wasted with hallways. Not sure that there's an easy fix for that, other than to keep looking at plans. My only other question is if the dishwasher/sink configuration will work. Seems like there won't be much room in front of the sink when the dishwasher is open.
I agree with comments from flgargoyle...our dishwasher due to size of our kitchen is too close the sink (I hate it but have no choice) ... think about the leg room in between sink and dishwasher door - I would move it three feet over to the right when you're facing the counter, just get the extra long drainage pipe for the DW. Stairway access could be moved or shortened, to me, it doesn't make sense that it's in the middle of the living area if you aren't going to be using the basement foor a while then place access on the side nearer to the den?
The number one item I would change...is your Center laundry room: Really not a good idea. They can be too noisy into the living area, and somehow make the house look messy. Consider moving your laundry room to where your broom closet is as a pass-through access to your master ensuite bath, makes more sense as your walk-in closet is just there less steps to put away your clean laundry ;-) into your closet. Also less doors, less dry wall being used and out venting. You'll capture the square footage into the livingroom - use this for your entertainment station? Center laundry rooms are not a good idea they can be too noisy into the living area. The side-to-side w/d is honestly a waste of room. Go with full sized stacked units and use the space for hanging area, storage/linen. Just a few thoughts . Carina
another idea... move the w/d - using stacked units to the designated broom closet.. use the designated laundry room whole or half as a storage, broom closet/pantry with sliding door facing the kitchen ....?
First: 1)Your carport is sucking up a lot of extra space. Suck it up, I say. I'd rather run to a bigger house in the rain than walk into a smaller house dry. 2) Who wants to walk in and see a wall? Give me a vista. You are in the country at least compared to me. Look at it. And plant one m'f'g beautiful tree outside that window. 3) You need skylights in some of that int. hall space or you'll feel cramped and damp. Nothing fancy, just some light chimneys. Other Thoughts
1) Spend all of you money on getting that little extra space when you walk in. If you don't you will think about it your whole life. What can you give up to get it? It's not that big but it will make huge difference. 2) Bocci outlets. Who knew outlets smiled? And it's a Cdn. company! I LOVE them. 3) Rakks shelving for books. C wall mounted standards, t-style brackets and bookends. 4) If the main space is all one color with accent walls, it will flow better and look much bigger. Walls are a stage. 5) ART ART ART 6) Make your bedroom sensuous and comfortable. It is your sanctuary. No burgundy or tiny flowers. Linen, natural colors make it look like a lawn in fall. 7) Look for the lines, keep things low and moving, think of it as a page, your eye starts on the middle left and moves around in a circle, imagine that in every room. 8) Ask about oiled floors instead of varathane. mmmm. 9) Find something from nature, or in the fridge, that you like and steal its color scheme.
First a disclaimer – I’m not sure I can read plans very well.
Have you considered moving the breakfast bar across to the dinette side? – Does it break up the flow into that space (bad) or give you a place to put stuff on its way to the dinette area (good)? The reason I started looking at that is it looked like maybe you are a bit hemmed in by the breakfast bar coming in the door – if I read the plans correctly, if you want to turn into the kitchen as you come in the door with groceries etc. you have to go all the way around it to get into the kitchen.
If it could be moved and you were so inclined, then you may have some options about the part of the wall by the door – either take out that wall by the right of the door and be more open, or maybe this is a place for a shallow closet for coats etc coming in the door opening to the door passage? Or, if it opens into the kitchen, could be a place for a pantry cupboard and more kitchen storage… Broom and linen closets are LOVELY. I am still waiting for the perfect pantry to arrive in my life. A friend in Wpg. had a great design – you came in from the garage to a hall/mudroom area – one door took you to the front hall past a powder room, the other door took you into the back of the pantry and then there was also a door to the pantry from the kitchen. It was brilliant for bringing in groceries - but this was a rather large house. They got it cheap because the vendors’ marriage collapsed before they got the stucco up, the landscaping done and some of the fixtures in. So they were motivated and selling an unfinished house.
Plan for the kitchen sinks? There are really nice deep ones which you can fit a roaster or cookie sheet in properly to wash. There’s also the sink and a half model which is what I used to have and prefer to the two full sinks which eat up a lot of counter and what I have now. You’re on the corner with the kitchen sink, so a little more real estate at the side with the sink and a half might be nice.
Totally agree with CDNinNYC...Facing a wall and coats as soon as you walk in would bug the crap out of me too, it's the last thing you see when you leave and the first thing you see when you walk in.... yes shorten the car port a bit and put in mud room/pantry and laundry there ...opens it up a bit removes the wall and mess... Still stuck on the Stairs location would annoy me... needs to be relocated shouldn't be front and in the center...but then that's me.. :-)
- We spend most of our summer in our back porch. If you think you will be spending lots of time there, consider having it screened off, and adding a couple of electrical outlets.
- I agree with one of the comments that mentions the door in the dinette area. It isn't really needed and given that you have a gas fireplace, it could be a good corner outside for hiding the propane tank.
- Closet doors in bedrooms- This is where we had a bit of a discussion. My wife felt doors that open look better, but I felt sliding doors were more functional as they did not take any space within the room.
- Doors from Living room to Patio. As with the closet doors, a sliding patio door takes less indoor space than do french doors. Again its looks vs functionality. the next point can help you decide.
- Its a good idea to make scale cutouts of your furniture and place them on the plan. This can help you decide on things like the door types mentioned above, window heights, the placement of the basement stairs as was mentioned in one of the comments, possibility of using a "Pocket door" in some places (i didn't really see a need for one), etc..
- If you are thinking of Crown moulding You might want to wait until you have loved in the house for a while. I found that I wanted to add some additional electrical wire and Speaker wire and putting it up with the crown moulding avoided me having to open up walls for running the wires.
- Don't let anyone talk you out of the high ceilings. That additional feeling of spaciousness is really appreciated during our long dreary winters.
- Basement. Not sure what your plans are there, but the advice I received was to go with a full 8 foot high basement. There is actually little to no cost difference between a crawl space and a full ceiling basement.
Outdoor considerations.. - Outdoor Shed for gardening items, lawn mower, snow blower etc garden supplies etc. If incorporated into the plan, it can be added to the mortgage at a much lower interest rate than making a loan to build one later. Also, any electrical considerations for that shed can be planned for. Electrical and size of shed and location can be determined by considering the possibility of a future swimming pool.
- French drains and sump pump.. a basement most definitely means adding french drains and a sump pump. Make sure that the sump pit and evacuation outlet are very close, otherwise a pump will force excessively. Anyway, those are some of the things off the top of my head. Hope you find some of the ideas helpful.
Great plans! I read all the great suggestions by other people and here is what I would do:
-create an air lock upon entering from the front door. Pull the original entrance down and add a second door to enter into the house (could even be on a diagonal facing the dinette). This will save heat/cool air from leaving your house. Then you could have the bench and coat hooks to your left in the foyer (using space from the den)
-shift the stairs to the left up against the W.I.C., they seem to be jutting out into other space
-build a wall along the foyer-side of the stairs, either a 42"high or full-height wall, or full-height to a half-height at the end with a column or some other nice detail. This is to block the flow from the entrance going right down the stairs. You want it to flow around the space first
-move the raised breakfast bar from the left side of the kitchen to the right side, that way it is more integrated with the dinette space and people sitting at the raised bar don't feel like they are sitting in the flow of the entrance
-I agree with removing the dining area exit door and widening the living space and incorporating a flush fireplace
-agreed that the laundry would be noisy in the centre of the house... not sure what to do there, insulating the walls would help a bit
You have lots of great comments so I don't have much to add. I would say there is one more potential problem with the center laundry, you have a long distance to run the venting which can be problematic.
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Since I don't know your limitations on width, or what's going on outside the house, I'll ask why the door from the dinette? The living room could be wider and still be within the envelope shown. There are already doors to the back off of the living room. The fireplace box could also be outside of the room, with the front flush with the wall. The usage a living room gets depends a lot on your lifestyle. Ours gets used only at Christmas; the rest of the year, it is a repository for our antiques. I would envision much of your time spent between the kitchen and dinette, at least if you're like us.
If you draw a cross-section, you might find that you can move the stairs a couple steps to the left, actually going under the bench. Standard headroom over a stair is 68". That would open things up a bit, although the stairs serve to divide the spaces, and could be a decorative feature.
I like that the WIC has a separate entry! My wife and I are modest, I guess, since we never share the bathroom, for anything. If the only access to our closet was through the bathroom, I'd end up doing a lot of waiting. We must be the exception, though, since many homes have that set-up, and people are evidently happy with it.
The den looks like a good idea. It can serve as a guest bedroom, and would be a good spot for either the TV, stereo, or computer. We ended up using our smallest bedroom as a den, and that way the TV is in it's own room, where it doesn't disturb the rest of the household, and vice versa. We also discovered that by having the TV in the smallest room, you don't have to buy such a big TV!
That's my two cents; I'm sure others will chime in about the flow, etc.- things I'm not very good at!
I think that too much of the square footage is wasted with hallways. Not sure that there's an easy fix for that, other than to keep looking at plans. My only other question is if the dishwasher/sink configuration will work. Seems like there won't be much room in front of the sink when the dishwasher is open.
I agree with comments from flgargoyle...our dishwasher due to size of our kitchen is too close the sink (I hate it but have no choice) ... think about the leg room in between sink and dishwasher door - I would move it three feet over to the right when you're facing the counter, just get the extra long drainage pipe for the DW.
Stairway access could be moved or shortened, to me, it doesn't make sense that it's in the middle of the living area if you aren't going to be using the basement foor a while then place access on the side nearer to the den?
The number one item I would change...is your Center laundry room: Really not a good idea. They can be too noisy into the living area, and somehow make the house look messy.
Consider moving your laundry room to where your broom closet is as a pass-through access to your master ensuite bath, makes more sense as your walk-in closet is just there less steps to put away your clean laundry ;-) into your closet. Also less doors, less dry wall being used and out venting. You'll capture the square footage into the livingroom - use this for your entertainment station? Center laundry rooms are not a good idea they can be too noisy into the living area.
The side-to-side w/d is honestly a waste of room. Go with full sized stacked units and use the space for hanging area, storage/linen.
Just a few thoughts . Carina
another idea... move the w/d - using stacked units to the designated broom closet..
use the designated laundry room whole or half as a storage, broom closet/pantry with sliding door facing the kitchen ....?
First:
1)Your carport is sucking up a lot of extra space. Suck it up, I say. I'd rather run to a bigger house in the rain than walk into a smaller house dry.
2) Who wants to walk in and see a wall? Give me a vista. You are in the country at least compared to me. Look at it. And plant one m'f'g beautiful tree outside that window.
3) You need skylights in some of that int. hall space or you'll feel cramped and damp. Nothing fancy, just some light chimneys.
Other Thoughts
1) Spend all of you money on getting that little extra space when you walk in. If you don't you will think about it your whole life. What can you give up to get it? It's not that big but it will make huge difference.
2) Bocci outlets. Who knew outlets smiled? And it's a Cdn. company! I LOVE them.
3) Rakks shelving for books. C wall mounted standards, t-style brackets and bookends.
4) If the main space is all one color with accent walls, it will flow better and look much bigger. Walls are a stage.
5) ART ART ART
6) Make your bedroom sensuous and comfortable. It is your sanctuary. No burgundy or tiny flowers. Linen, natural colors make it look like a lawn in fall.
7) Look for the lines, keep things low and moving, think of it as a page, your eye starts on the middle left and moves around in a circle, imagine that in every room.
8) Ask about oiled floors instead of varathane. mmmm.
9) Find something from nature, or in the fridge, that you like and steal its color scheme.
First a disclaimer – I’m not sure I can read plans very well.
Have you considered moving the breakfast bar across to the dinette side? – Does it break up the flow into that space (bad) or give you a place to put stuff on its way to the dinette area (good)? The reason I started looking at that is it looked like maybe you are a bit hemmed in by the breakfast bar coming in the door – if I read the plans correctly, if you want to turn into the kitchen as you come in the door with groceries etc. you have to go all the way around it to get into the kitchen.
If it could be moved and you were so inclined, then you may have some options about the part of the wall by the door – either take out that wall by the right of the door and be more open, or maybe this is a place for a shallow closet for coats etc coming in the door opening to the door passage? Or, if it opens into the kitchen, could be a place for a pantry cupboard and more kitchen storage…
Broom and linen closets are LOVELY. I am still waiting for the perfect pantry to arrive in my life. A friend in Wpg. had a great design – you came in from the garage to a hall/mudroom area – one door took you to the front hall past a powder room, the other door took you into the back of the pantry and then there was also a door to the pantry from the kitchen. It was brilliant for bringing in groceries - but this was a rather large house. They got it cheap because the vendors’ marriage collapsed before they got the stucco up, the landscaping done and some of the fixtures in. So they were motivated and selling an unfinished house.
Plan for the kitchen sinks? There are really nice deep ones which you can fit a roaster or cookie sheet in properly to wash. There’s also the sink and a half model which is what I used to have and prefer to the two full sinks which eat up a lot of counter and what I have now. You’re on the corner with the kitchen sink, so a little more real estate at the side with the sink and a half might be nice.
Totally agree with CDNinNYC...Facing a wall and coats as soon as you walk in would bug the crap out of me too, it's the last thing you see when you leave and the first thing you see when you walk in.... yes shorten the car port a bit and put in mud room/pantry and laundry there ...opens it up a bit removes the wall and mess...
Still stuck on the Stairs location would annoy me... needs to be relocated shouldn't be front and in the center...but then that's me.. :-)
The first thing I would say is I love the plan!
- We spend most of our summer in our back porch. If you think you will be spending lots of time there, consider having it screened off, and adding a couple of electrical outlets.
- I agree with one of the comments that mentions the door in the dinette area. It isn't really needed and given that you have a gas fireplace, it could be a good corner outside for hiding the propane tank.
- Closet doors in bedrooms- This is where we had a bit of a discussion. My wife felt doors that open look better, but I felt sliding doors were more functional as they did not take any space within the room.
- Doors from Living room to Patio. As with the closet doors, a sliding patio door takes less indoor space than do french doors. Again its looks vs functionality. the next point can help you decide.
- Its a good idea to make scale cutouts of your furniture and place them on the plan. This can help you decide on things like the door types mentioned above, window heights, the placement of the basement stairs as was mentioned in one of the comments, possibility of using a "Pocket door" in some places (i didn't really see a need for one), etc..
- If you are thinking of Crown moulding You might want to wait until you have loved in the house for a while. I found that I wanted to add some additional electrical wire and Speaker wire and putting it up with the crown moulding avoided me having to open up walls for running the wires.
- Don't let anyone talk you out of the high ceilings. That additional feeling of spaciousness is really appreciated during our long dreary winters.
- Basement. Not sure what your plans are there, but the advice I received was to go with a full 8 foot high basement. There is actually little to no cost difference between a crawl space and a full ceiling basement.
Outdoor considerations..
- Outdoor Shed for gardening items, lawn mower, snow blower etc garden supplies etc. If incorporated into the plan, it can be added to the mortgage at a much lower interest rate than making a loan to build one later. Also, any electrical considerations for that shed can be planned for. Electrical and size of shed and location can be determined by considering the possibility of a future swimming pool.
- French drains and sump pump.. a basement most definitely means adding french drains and a sump pump. Make sure that the sump pit and evacuation outlet are very close, otherwise a pump will force excessively.
Anyway, those are some of the things off the top of my head. Hope you find some of the ideas helpful.
Great plans! I read all the great suggestions by other people and here is what I would do:
-create an air lock upon entering from the front door. Pull the original entrance down and add a second door to enter into the house (could even be on a diagonal facing the dinette). This will save heat/cool air from leaving your house. Then you could have the bench and coat hooks to your left in the foyer (using space from the den)
-shift the stairs to the left up against the W.I.C., they seem to be jutting out into other space
-build a wall along the foyer-side of the stairs, either a 42"high or full-height wall, or full-height to a half-height at the end with a column or some other nice detail. This is to block the flow from the entrance going right down the stairs. You want it to flow around the space first
-move the raised breakfast bar from the left side of the kitchen to the right side, that way it is more integrated with the dinette space and people sitting at the raised bar don't feel like they are sitting in the flow of the entrance
-I agree with removing the dining area exit door and widening the living space and incorporating a flush fireplace
-agreed that the laundry would be noisy in the centre of the house... not sure what to do there, insulating the walls would help a bit
You have lots of great comments so I don't have much to add. I would say there is one more potential problem with the center laundry, you have a long distance to run the venting which can be problematic.
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